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welcome to the hidden truth show podcast

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I'm Jim Breslow we are covering the

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transgender movement which are about to

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see is an excerpt from part three of my

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interview with my fraternity brother who

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became my sister my fraternity brothers

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name was Dave but I learned just a few

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months ago that my fraternity brother

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that I knew as Dave had recently become

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Sabrina

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at that time I was planning on doing

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this deep dive into the transgender

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movement to find out the truth behind

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transgender something that has exploded

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on the national scene in recent months I

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reached out to my brother who was now my

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sister Sabrina and she agreed to come in

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and have us chat in a nice casual

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setting so that I could ask her all the

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questions about transgender that I

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wanted the answers to

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I needed a comfortable environment

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without political correctness without

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fear of saying the wrong thing being

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accused of a transphobic I didn't ask a

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question just right and having my

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fraternity brother with me made it that

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much easier I was still a little bit

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nervous when Sabrina came the first

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night didn't know if I was if I should

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have beer and wine ready to go or if I

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should have a couple shots before she

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got here fortunately she showed up with

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her own bottle of gin and we sat down

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for night one of what turned into three

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incredible personal and emotional nights

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of discussion about everything

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transgender here's part three if you

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enjoy this interview go listen to the

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podcast it's called hidden truth

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transgender movement you can find it on

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Apple podcasts you can also check out

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our website hidden through show com find

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us on Facebook YouTube Instagram and

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Twitter I'm Jim Breslau for hidden truth

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show here's my sister Sabrina I wrote

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down a quote from you from from the last

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show which is what is this what is this

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right I mean we don't we still don't

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really know what this is doing

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I have my opinions as we've discussed

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but you know if you talk to ten

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different trans people you know even ten

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different LGBT people they would all

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have different stories about their

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backgrounds and everything I mean if you

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try to find common denominators it's

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just like you got even more lost because

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a so my concern is that the trans

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activists as I'll just broadly call them

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are trying to shut down debate about

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this shut down scientific inquiry

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open-mindedness

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trying to understand what this really is

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and they want it to be what they say it

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is so I wholly against that for instance

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you know when I was at Kaiser I

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explained to them that by 20 I knew I

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was a transsexual woman the therapist

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was puzzled when it came back like

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whatever two weeks later for the next

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session she saw I was really positive

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and so I talked to my colleagues I've

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never heard someone say that they knew

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they were trans woman they they always

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say that they knew they are a woman or a

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man I go sure that they're trying to get

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your procedure paid for free they're

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trying to convince you that they're

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really a woman who's gonna who's gonna

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dare to say you know I I wanted nothing

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from you so I gave you the honest answer

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I knew I was a trans woman I I didn't

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think I was a woman so you know the

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point is in that exchange

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she learned something in the field more

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about this than she ever had before and

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she brought it to her cogs and taught

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them something so this has been a huge

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learning process for everyone and so you

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know I would be against any law that

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prohibited the gaining of an

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understanding of what this is or any

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LGBT is but when the intention of a

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study is to from the outset condemn it

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and say that it's some kind of mental

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defect is absolutely wrong yeah I think

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that's where it really things get

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crossed because acceptance

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there can be acceptance but something

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could still theoretically be say mental

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it seems like to me you know there's

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this whole born this way nature vs.

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nurture and so on and there's a natural

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inclination for whether it be the trans

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movement or the cave movement I say hey

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it's born this way it's boring this way

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it's born this way because that way they

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feel they'll be more acceptance but in

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my opinion doesn't necessarily have to

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be born this way it could have been

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something in you know nurture versus

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nature it doesn't mean that it shouldn't

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be accepted and and that's the sense

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that I think that the debate is getting

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muffled and silenced by the movement

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because they're so insistent that no you

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better just agree that it's born this

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way and nothing else

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so I I don't think that's the right

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answer and I think the the transgender

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side needs to be as open to a dialogue

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as he as the people who oppose that is a

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natural thing need to be open to

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understanding it you know both sides

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need to progress through an openness for

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that understanding if you enjoyed that

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excerpt of my interview with my

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fraternity brother Sabrina go listen to

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the full interview at the hidden truth

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show podcast you can get it wherever you

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listen to podcasts I'm Jim Breslow

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